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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 4, 2014 0:32:28 GMT 2
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Raspuns de Lady in black on Sept 4, 2014 14:44:32 GMT 2
Astea sunt chestii patologice de acum.
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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 4, 2014 15:20:07 GMT 2
Blasfemii de genul asta sunt traditionale, dar este pur si simplu stupid sa le promovezi incat sa afle toata lumea. Atragi atentia nepotrivit.
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Raspuns de Lady in black on Sept 4, 2014 17:34:55 GMT 2
Cred ca poti sa-ti demonstrezi atasamentul fata de un spirit/doctrina fara sa fie nevoie sa faci pipi pe cartile sacre ale doctrinei opuse. Mai bine inveti ceva constructiv in timpul ala.
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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 4, 2014 18:21:23 GMT 2
Ti-ai pus vreodata intrebarea de ce vrajitoarele faceau fel de fel de ritualuri blasfemice? Ti-ai pus de fapt vreodata intrebarea care este rolul blasfemiei?  are si ea un rol.. destul de important. E bine sa ne cunoastem religia, cu bune si cu rele, nu doar cu ce vrem noi sa credem despre ea. |
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Raspuns de thanateros on Sept 4, 2014 19:14:38 GMT 2
Ti-ai pus vreodata intrebarea de ce vrajitoarele faceau fel de fel de ritualuri blasfemice? Ti-ai pus de fapt vreodata intrebarea care este rolul blasfemiei? are si ea un rol.. destul de important. E bine sa ne cunoastem religia, cu bune si cu rele, nu doar cu ce vrem noi sa credem despre ea. Da, blasfemia are un rol. Mi-am amintit acum de Insight Role-urile de la ONA. Alea da, aveau un sens. Problema e că tânărul teribilist n-o face conștient, ci din pură prostie și inconștiență. |
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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 4, 2014 19:57:20 GMT 2
Corect. Si o mai face si public.
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Raspuns de Lady in black on Sept 7, 2014 8:13:54 GMT 2
Ti-ai pus vreodata intrebarea de ce vrajitoarele faceau fel de fel de ritualuri blasfemice? Ti-ai pus de fapt vreodata intrebarea care este rolul blasfemiei? are si ea un rol.. destul de important. E bine sa ne cunoastem religia, cu bune si cu rele, nu doar cu ce vrem noi sa credem despre ea. Da, inteleg care e rolul ritualului blasfemiei. Distruge inhibitiile, tiparele crestine inca existente la nivelul subconstientului, chiar si cand la nivel intelectual ai taiat orice legatura cu contextul crestin in care, vrand-nevrand, te-ai nascut si ai crescut. Am facut si eu unul, cand am simtit ca e momentul, dupa colocvialismele care inca imi stateau pe limba (si cu un mic ghiont din partea lui Satan  ). Ceea ce cunoastem si ceea ce alegem sa practicam sunt insa doua lucruri diferite. Pentru mine, unul dintre punctele focale ale satanismului, ca mod de viata si nu ca religie, fiindca asta il consider, e eliberarea de restrictii. Nu gandesc in termeni antagonici, satanism-crestinism, nici nu consider ca exista forme obligatorii, cu exceptia dedicarii, desigur. In general, incerc sa-mi amintesc in fiecare zi ca satanismul este despre sine in aceeasi masura ca despre Satan, despre propria evolutie si bucurie a vietii, cu tot ce cuprinde ea. Iar eu functionez mai bine actionand dupa intuitie, asa ca am o atitudine mai relaxata decat tine, cred, in privinta regulilor scrise de altii, chiar si pentru satanism. Singura vointa care conteaza, in afara de a mea, e cea a lui Satan. Aici nu ma joc deloc. |
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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 9, 2014 11:41:28 GMT 2
Da, inteleg care e rolul ritualului blasfemiei. Distruge inhibitiile, tiparele crestine inca existente la nivelul subconstientului, chiar si cand la nivel intelectual ai taiat orice legatura cu contextul crestin in care, vrand-nevrand, te-ai nascut si ai crescut. Corect. Uite ce scriam in legatura cu blasfemia la articolul Liturghia Neagra“Scopul psihologic al Liturghiei Negre este acela de a elibera individul de dogma Creştină. Este un ritual care eliberează emoţii inconştiente. Prin puterea sa, aruncă practicantul într-o lume a haosului, magiei şi desfraului. O lume a libertăţii.
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După părerea mea, motivul principal pentru care Liturghia Neagră a fost atat de practicată în Evul Mediu este că oamenii se simţeau “otrăviţi” de Creştinism şi erau intoxicaţi de acesta la acel timp. Liturghia Neagră a fost practicată de Satanişti la Sabaturile lor pentru a-l venera pe Satan şi pentru a distruge influenţa Creştină care îi sufoca.”Ceea ce cunoastem si ceea ce alegem sa practicam sunt insa doua lucruri diferite. Pentru mine, unul dintre punctele focale ale satanismului, ca mod de viata si nu ca religie, fiindca asta il consider, e eliberarea de restrictii. Nu gandesc in termeni antagonici, satanism-crestinism, nici nu consider ca exista forme obligatorii, cu exceptia dedicarii, desigur. In general, incerc sa-mi amintesc in fiecare zi ca satanismul este despre sine in aceeasi masura ca despre Satan, despre propria evolutie si bucurie a vietii, cu tot ce cuprinde ea. Iar eu functionez mai bine actionand dupa intuitie, asa ca am o atitudine mai relaxata decat tine, cred, in privinta regulilor scrise de altii, chiar si pentru satanism. Singura vointa care conteaza, in afara de a mea, e cea a lui Satan. Aici nu ma joc deloc. Total de acord. Satanismul este venerarea lui Satan iar felul in care o faci tine de tine nu de traditii. Insa cel care a facut treaba asta cu Biblia, probabil ca a facut-o din teribilism nu din traditie. Ma indoiesc ca ar cunoaste traditiile, care oricum sunt greu de depistat. Este totusi posibil ca acel ritual sa fii fost un ritual de initiere, fiindca cei de la Cathedral of the Black Goat exact asta fac la initiere. Ritualul este descris in Devil’s Bible a lui Myrmydon si spune ca: “The white gown is to be torn off and a piece is to cut from it and set aside for a later purpose. The candles
are now snuffed out. The gown, the candles, and the crucifix are all to be wrapped in the white altar cloth
and taken to an outside location where they can be buried. With the shovel dig a hole at least two feet deep.
Place the altar cloth in the hole and urinate or defecate upon it. Then cover the hole and retire to sleep
without speaking to anyone." - Chapter I, First Night Ritual of Self-Initiation. |
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Raspuns de Lady in black on Sept 9, 2014 13:25:05 GMT 2
Recunosc ca nu mi-ar veni ideea niciodata, nu ca m-as teme ca ma trasneste Dumnezeu sau alta chestie de genul asta. Pur si simplu, mi se pare scarbos.
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Raspuns de Lady in black on Sept 9, 2014 13:26:35 GMT 2
Cat priveste exhibarea apartenentei la satanism, fie si in acest mod oarecum grotesc, macar e o dovada de curaj. Eu nu am ajuns sa recunosc deschis pentru toata lumea, stiu doar cativa oameni care sunt credintele mele.
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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 9, 2014 17:15:28 GMT 2
Esti ceea ce lumea numeste "fluffy bunny". O sa te trezesti intr-o zi, sper ca nu prea tarziu si o sa vezi cu alti ochi ceea ce tu vezi acum ca fiind un curcubeu. |
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Raspuns de Lady in black on Sept 9, 2014 17:54:49 GMT 2
Un curcubeu? Oh, zau! Sunt aspecte foarte placute, clipe de extaz, daca nu e un cuvant prea tare pentru tine, dar nici pe departe viata mea nu e un curcubeu. Nici nu m-am asteptat sa fie asa, desi, poate, in unele privinte dadeam dovada de naivitate. Oricum, asteptarile si imaginile strict intelectuale pe care ni le formam despre spirite sufera fracturi importante in momentul cand chiar simtim atingerea lor. Daca nu povestesc despre momentele in care vointa mi-a fost pusa serios la incercare, asta nu inseamna ca ele nu au existat, ca vad totul in roz. Dar dedicarea a fost alegerea mea, nu mi-a fortat nimeni mana, eu am intors privirea lui Satan asupra mea, eu mi-am oferit sufletul, si mi-am investit capitalul de incredere la banca asta. A fost o alegere pe care am reconfirmat-o dupa ce l-am simtit cu adevarat, dupa ce am fost total constienta de urcusurile si de coborasurile unei asemenea relatii, de intensitatea fortei pe care am invitat-o in viata mea. Fiecare zi inseamna o surpriza, o provocare, o reconfirmare a dedicarii. Si aici intra si momentele alea cand esti bolnav, epuizat, speriat, enervat, socat de chestiile care ti se intampla, dezamagit ca alte chestii NU ti se intampla. Momentele negative, cum le-ai numi tu. Care pot deveni momente pozitive daca inveti ceva din ele, asa ca eu inteleg sa le tratez ca pe lectii de viata necesare. Sa ma vaicaresc, sa ma indoiesc, sa strig dupa ajutorul unui Dumnezeu pe care l-am renegat si care nu m-a atras niciodata nu ma ajuta cu nimic. |
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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 9, 2014 18:20:13 GMT 2
Nu ma refeream la viata ta de zi cu zi, ci la religia pe care spui tu ca o ai si zeul pe care spui tu ca-l cunosti. Iti reamintesc ca vorbeste cineva care a lucrat intens cu Satan si cu demonii timp de cca. 8 ani. Si iti reamintesc ca am cunoscut multe persoane ca mine, care au ajuns distruse dupa asa ceva. Sunt lucruri care pot fi dovedite aproape clar, pe care le poti nega numai daca esti cu adevarat naiv (asa cum am fost si eu). Concluzia mea si a altor oameni care nu doar au citit un website pentru copii, este ca Satan este foarte intunecat si negativ... iar acea energie intunecata si negativa te murdareste la fel cum te-ai juca cu mainile in noroi. La fel ca si tine vedeam in Satan un “parinte, prieten, etc etc”. Dar vedeam asta pt ca asa vroiam eu sa vad, pt ca asa mi se spalase creierul prin site-urile cretine si alte surse... experienta mi-a dovedit cu totul altceva. Si din nou, pot dovedi tot ce spun. Dar n-o s-o fac. Asta daca vorbim de experiente.. Daca vorbim de istorie si traditii (cum am facut pana acum in acest topic) din nou tin sa te dezamagesc, dar SATANISMUL cam cu asta se ocupa. Da, in Satanism exista sacrificii animale, blasfemii, orgii, blesteme, etc. Cand a venit Church of Satan sau Order of Nine Angles cu inventiile lor, a fost altceva.. dar deja nu mai era ceva autentic. “Oricum, asteptarile si imaginile strict intelectuale pe care ni le formam despre spirite sufera fracturi importante in momentul cand chiar simtim atingerea lor.” Nici nu puteam s-o spun mai bine! Dar cand zici ca ai simtit atingerea lor, te referi ca ai simtit o caldura in piept sau racoare la spate cand aveai geamul deschis?... sau atingerea lor cand toata camera nu mai are nicio lumina (decat flacara lumanarii), atingerea lor cand iti explodeaza inima, cand ai dureri de cap, cand iti creste pulsul, cand ‘ceva’ iti smulge carnea de pe tine? “Dar dedicarea a fost alegerea mea, nu mi-a fortat nimeni mana” Da Stefy, la fel a fost si la mine.. si la altii. Ne-am facut-o cu mana noastra fara sa stim ce facem de fapt. TU CHIAR CREZI ca eu aberez si ca mint cand iti zic chestile astea? De ce te contrazic, de ce reactionez asa.. nu pt ca tu ti-ai semnat decaderea prin ritualul de dedicare, ci pentru ca promovezi ceva in asa fel incat, altii care vor veni pe site, vor fii influentati sa isi semneze si ei decaderea. E treaba ta ce faci, ce zici.. eu nu te cenzurez, nu iti sterg mesajele. Eu doar te contrazic. It’s part of forum discussions. Asta s-a aprins.. ceea ce era de asteptat, avand in vedere cat ai promovat imaginea asta de “Satan bun” pe forum. Simteam ca-i nevoie sa intervin cu o parere, o critica. “urcusurile si de coborasurile unei asemenea relatii” Urcusuri si coborasuri are oricine... dar ce faci cand la un moment dat, situatia scapa de sub control si timp de x ani o iei numai in jos? Cand toti oamenii dragi mor sau te parasesc, cand ajungi in strada sau inchis, cand te imbolanvesti grav, etc.. una dupa alta? Baaai, wake the fuck up! Treburile sunt foarte clare, crede-ma ce-ti zic. “Fiecare zi inseamna o surpriza, o provocare, o reconfirmare a dedicarii. Si aici intra si momentele alea cand esti bolnav, epuizat, speriat, enervat, socat de chestiile care ti se intampla, dezamagit ca alte chestii NU ti se intampla.” In urmatorul reply voi da copy-paste la un articol pe care nu l-am publicat, dar pe care l-am scris cat se poate de clar legat de asta. Daca te intereseaza, citeste-l.. daca nu, poate il va citi altcineva. |
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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 9, 2014 18:45:47 GMT 2
Exposing the true nature of a Satanic Path
by Infernus
After all these years I think I can say that I finally understand Satanism. This being exactly the date 5th January 2010. It was not really a revelation. I thought of it being this way for a long time but now I’m pretty sure it’s true. It is quite clear.
It really is true that Satanism is a way of life. The more time spent in this religion, the more it changes you and your life. Now I know everyone has different views on Satanism and that some ‘live’ it differently. But I guess the essence of it is the same for everyone. I believe we all have quite the same reasons why we choose to follow this path. As long as we stay honest, you’re able to understand it correctly. That’s the most important thing you have to do in Satanism. To stay honest.. With yourself first of all. And accept what you learn, even if its something difficult to grasp. You’ll understand what I talking about here after you finish reading this. I know that many of you will not agree with what I am about to say in this small essay. Especially ‘new comers’. And I understand why. We’re searching for the perfect path, simple, beautiful and rewarding. Aren’t we?... you know, I’ve had the same views like many of you. Reading the websites that were said to be the perfect sources for this information, I was beginning to think of Satanism of something so fluffy and cute and I was fucking amazed. Now after all this time, I smile when I look back at those times when my naivety was boundless. And I talk to my fellow Satanists that also been there and we smile together. Whenever there was something negative said about Satanism we refused to believe it. Some were, indeed, gammon. But many things turned out to be true, and now we understand it only because it has been proven to us by fate. And so it is. The path that we choose to follow turned out to be much different than we once thought. The more time spent in this religion, the more you learn, the more it changes you.
Now before I start babbling about my ‘great discovery’ I want to warn you. I want you to know that I am now playing a game on you. What I am about to divulge is information that I had to discover for myself. It is something few people get to know and understand. And if fate will get you to encounter this on your path, you will then understand and know that what I am saying here is true. I have no reason to lie. There’s nothing to gain out of this, except an image of me being a smart ass that I really enjoy having. The reason I am willing to divulge this information is because I want to help, or in this case, warn those people that are real Satanists about what is ahead.
I will start off by telling you a short story. Don’t worry, it’s on the subject. It is a story about someone who discovered the essence of the true Satanic path. It is, unfortunately, about a friend that I have already mentioned in another essay (Satanic Unification) by the name of “X”. He was, in a way, my mentor. He guided me and taught me ever since I was a kid. He was for me a model of a Satanist. He helped me like no one ever did, not even my mom and dad. He was the best example of a Satanist I’ve met. And so wise and determined as he was, not only fooled me, but even fooled himself. Something happened to him… something that I felt to happen for a long time. The worst that could happen. The fucker turned his back on Satan, and ran back to God. But no, he’s not a Christian. A Christian is an idiot who follows blindly. He became a Man of God, fully aware of the sickness that is in Christianity.
There are few reasons for this change he made, but only one I believe is in your interest. That reason is simple. He seen the true nature of Satanism. And he didn’t like it at all. And he got scared. And thus this fear perhaps was stronger than his dedication to Satan and sought to get protection under the god that he now calls The Only God. Indeed he seen the true nature of Satan’s religion, yet he did not understand it. He did not care to understand it anymore. Veni, vidi, sollicitus (“I came, I saw, I got worried”).
Before I got these news, he invited me to his city at his home to begin a journey throughout the country. A journey that he said will change my life. He didn’t care to tell me more about it before I got to him. So when I got there, he gave me details.. we were going to visit some orthodox monasteries where we were going to stay for about a month and study (psychology and the occult) and participate in Christian rituals. The reason I rejected his offer was not because of the monasteries, I don’t give a shit about them. But I know he had some plans for me, and in my opinion, the fucker was trying to convert me to Christianity, something that right now I just cannot image me to do.
We talked about it enough for me to make an impression. He, who had been working with Demons and Satan for a long time, was now explaining to me how the Demons and Satan will never help me the way that God could. He told me that, as a Christian, he will continue to work with demons by means of Christian magickal systems (such as Goetia) and that by doing so he will make his life better and be able to evolve in a way that he could never have as a Satanist. Thus I had to wish him all luck in his new lovely path and abandon the man that was once my best friend, my brother, my mentor. For the entire week I had received signs that could have turned me back to him. People harassing me in the bus with Christian prayer books, beggars at the subway chanting prayers to God and an entire fucking radio show about Christianity and God related miracles on my way back home.. but I couldn’t get back. Doing so the probability of us starting a fight and throwing fists and karate like kicks at each other was very much expected.
The time I spent talking to him though, was worth. What he told me about Satanism was something that I already knew. That is, that Satanism is indeed a very dark and sometimes negative path. What he failed to understand however, was that Satanism has also got a very positive side. That Satanism, as Life itself, is neither Black nor White.. It’s really in a shade of grey. And one thing that I have learned while being a Satanist is that, duality really exists in the universe so we cannot ignore one side and accept the other. We need to learn to have a balance and accept both sides as they both have a role in our lives. Everything has a reason. If you run away from it, you’ll remain ignorant. If you search for it, there’s a high probability that you’ll become wiser than you expected. Life is full of mysteries. It is our mission to solve them all. But for that, again, I must get back to what I said at the beginning of the essay… We must stay honest ! And also, as I stated many times in my essay, we must be self-taught. Because we all experience life in our own ways. What is true for someone may not be true to you. That is, if a homosexual tells you that ass is better than pussy, that is not a rule. Its something true to him, and may not be true to you. Get it ?..
For that I must tell you, dear reader, IF you are a Satanist and are seeking wisdom, do not seek for it in books, on the internet or whatever. Seek it in yourself ! In your life ! Forget about all the bullshit you have learned on the internet, trying to understand the nature of Satanism. The true nature of Satanism is in yourself, because Satanism is life, and for you, it is YOUR LIFE. Trust me on this. What you learned from the internet, in proportion of about 90% is also known to me. I took about the entire satanic community on the internet, been a part of many organizations, been studying a lot of crap that’s out there. And I don’t think more than 10% of that has turned out to be true. I know there are some organizations out there that have helped you. Many helped me too. They give you hints, but just that. You’ll not learn of the true nature of Satanism, not even in this website. This essay is just an introduction, an example. Let’s say it is the basics that apply to everyone when it comes to the true nature of a satanic path. I may tell you how the road looks, I may tell you where it will take you to, but I just cannot say what you will encounter on your way. It’s up to you to walk down the path and find out. So the first ‘lesson’ in this essay is about YOU being YOU, being ALONE.
From my point of view, a Satanist is a lonely wolf that from time to time preys the flock of sheep.. but not because of hunger.. just for his own amusement.
We’re often mistaken with Luciferians because we apparently worship the same god. But the ways of Satanism and Luciferianism are very different. Luciferians have a much ‘brighter’ religion, and their spirit is, from my point of view, a spirit of the herd. They believe in unification and working together. Then, I see in Satanism a religion of the individual.
Luciferians see Lucifer as a god of ‘good’. They believe that Lucifer saved man from Heaven giving him the Forbidden Fruit to save him from the ‘evil’ plans of Jehovah (God). Once they came to Earth, the Demons and Lucifer made contact with humans (the Nephilim..) teaching them all sorts of things (like the story of Azazel from the Book of Enoch; Azazel taught men how to make weapons and women how to use make up, dye their hair and stuff like that) and making them a real adversary against Jehovah.
Satanism on the other hand, is a dark religion, tough, full of dangers for those who try to follow this path (full of traps, not permitting anyone to get to the top). As for Satan.. I see in Satan a good friend. But, from my point of view, a good friend is one who offers you a solid bed when you need rest, and who doesn’t hesitate to mislead you every time you are insecure/uncertain. In other words, Satan cares about you. And because He cares about you, he gives you this treatment from which you either resign or succeed and get to the top. You know that saying “What does not kill only makes stronger”. Its something true in Satanism as well. Even more, it is considered by some a real Satanic theory (and is one of the 21 Satanic Points in O.N.A.’s Black Book Of Satan).
It is true. Satanism is what most of us didn’t expect. Thus many of ‘us’ either deny its nature, or run away from it. Some are not made for this. It is a path that one has to face many difficulties alone. It is a very tough and dark path.. sometimes very extreme. You may learn about things that you will not accept, because not everything is the way you want and like in this universe. But my dear friend.. if you want to play about Satanism, then do so. Do a ritual with your friends, say Hail Satan a few times, curse God and that’s it… That’s simple, that’s fun. But you will not achieve anything with this in your life. It will not help you. Satanism is not about fun. Here reward comes after work.
The philosophy of Satanism is the philosophy of life in many ways (and I’ll explain what I mean by that soon in this essay), and it is something that the normal individual will not get to understand even in his 80’s. The normal individual is a dead individual for he seeks wisdom not in spirituality and life, but in the oddest places and most complicated material of books and articles full of undecipherable information. We live in this world and don’t have the eyes to see its beauty. We live in this world and don’t realize that it is from LIFE ITSELF that we need to take our knowledge from. The normal individual does not believe in such knowledge because he doesn’t see it. In order to see it, you must seek it. And to seek it, you must be serious about it.
Most of the wise people, were/are spiritual people.. Why do you think is that?.. life is much more than you see with your eyes. This Universe in which you, dear reader, are living in, is far more complex than it seems.
We as Satanists, or should I say, as HUMANS, need to see life exactly as it is, and live it. In life there are good times and bad times.. Satanism teaches us how to enjoy the good times and to stay away from or handle the bad times. It is a very practical religion. It’s not just a prayer, a ritual.. It’s a real way of life. Satanism like I said, teaches us to be self-taught and to learn how to develop ourselves spiritually but also mentally and sometimes even physically. It teaches us how to face any challenge, to fight it and be a fighter, not a coward who kneels in front of God to help him.. No. Satanism puts YOU to solve your problems ALONE. Because only in this way you can evolve. Working alone. A man who doesn’t know how to live and to enjoy life is a dead man. A man who doesn’t know how to live and doesn’t know how to survive by himself is a parasite. Such a person is a Christian (just an example.. but the best example I can give). I really pity them. Because that man will never be able to evolve and will always limit himself to what he learned from God.. when it is tough, pray and wait.. Yes. Pray, wait and do nothing. Satanism puts the individual to fight, to do anything he can to go beyond any barrier. Christians however, are not all cheap assholes. There are some very superior. Few, but there are.. But it’s the thing that they are limited by many things that we, Satanists are not. Things that for us humans, are NATURAL. Like Nietzsche said, there’s nothing worse and more injurious than Christianity. Christianity is not a religion of love. Love is not something you give unconditionally. True love is the one honest and earned, that comes with a reason. Christianity is a religion of the tyrants, of death. Besides the fact that it grew to power through violence and not for the good of it, this religion keeps man away from spiritual, mental and even physical evolution. How ? Very simple.. Here’s an example. A Christian isn’t allowed (theoretically) to use magick (though they use it unconsciously in their ceremonies) or to meditate. Magick and meditation are two essential activities of man.. because man is a spiritual being. Man before getting to know the world or divinity must get to know himself. Without you knowing yourself truly, you cannot truly understand the world you live in because you will not understand how this world is influencing you.
To get to know yourself it is needed to go through some stages. Some of this stages are forbidden in Christianity. An example of such a stage is to get to know your negative side. Any man has a negative and a positive side. To get to know yourself truly you must understand both sides of your being. A philosopher named C.G.Jung, perhaps you’ve heard of him, said something like “Illumination is not reached by visualizing the light, but by exploring the darkness”. The ‘darkness’ is a mirror of the depths of the soul. All that is hidden inside us, our desires and our fears, is projected on the darkness. The ‘darkness’ is that part of your soul where all your secrets and answers are hidden. A big part of your essence. In order to illuminate yourself you need to explore this dark side of your soul. Here you will find many negative things.
Christianity forbids this. Satanism on the other hand, teaches you how to do this. Satanism is about this dark side of the soul.
In real spirituality there is no good and evil. Here Good and Evil do not matter anymore, don’t even exist. These are just human terms and conceptions. What is in real spirituality is beyond good and evil. It goes beyond these borders. It passes from a human limit. In spirituality however, there is power and power you can take. Its about the weak and the strong. The weak die and the strong survive. That’s NATURE. You have to learn to take advantage of someone’s weakness, so you may become stronger. All the Right Hand Path religions (Christianity, Islamism, Judaism, Buddhism etc) don’t teach this. They teach of a good and evil of which they don’t know the balance of it. They are based only on a “good” as they defined it. But it’s really a shade of grey. What can be bad for someone, can be good for someone else. If you’re selling at a market stall, and I come to steal from you, it is bad for you.. but it is good for me. For Christians and Buddhists and whatever this is totally bad. Man needs to learn to be smart not fair. Especially in the 21st century. If you’re not smart you don’t handle life, and die. Cheating, deceiving, treachery.. these are all part of human’s nature. If I cheat, its good.. if I’m cheated its bad.. Like I said, you need to learn to be smart and cunning and to take advantage of any occasion to survive. In Satanism you’ll learn just that. All the positive AND negative aspects of life. In life, in order to really have success, there are times when you need to learn how to “walk over bodies”. All successful people that you see have at least once walked over bodies in their lives to get success. This, however, is not a necessity. But it is a modality.
Everything you do you do it for yourself. Not for God or for Satan. Satan does not come to put bread on your table. But can teach you and push you from behind to be able to win that bread by yourself. And for that, He deserves our respect, our gratitude.
Satanism is all about life and nature. It teaches you how to respect and embrace your nature. SEX. Sex is a very important element in Satanism, for many reasons. First of all because it’s part of man’s nature. Its something biological that we need. Why stay away from something that is part of YOUR NATURE ? Satanism urges man to embrace his nature as it is, “good” or “bad”. For us there is no such thing as sin. But we are all responsible for our actions. Like, it is not a sin for us to cheat and steal.. But you are responsible for your action. So, if you get caught you’re fucked, and that’s all because of YOU, and you must assume responsibility. Me, I don’t want good nor evil. I want power. That’s what it really matters in this world. Power.. If you look at animals.. They’re fighting on food, right ? The animal that is smarter or stronger wins the prey and leaves the weaker with an empty stomach. That’s NATURE. Life is not always fair and will never be, because fairness again, is just a human conception. Spirituality and nature aren’t based on human conceptions, on what humans believe to be “fair”. In life you must learn how to win and how to lose. Without losing you will never know what really means to win.
And really, you’d be wrong if you said that animals don’t have ratiocination. That’s what it’s believed, but many recent studies prove they do have ratiocination. Let me give you an example. What I’ve seen on the news.. There was a child who ran away from home, and got into the woods and it began to snow.. It was only him and his dog. You know what his dog did ? He realized that the child was freezing and that will die of cold, so the dog covered the man with his fur, he attached his body to the body of the child to make him warm and kept him like that to the next day morning when people found them. Why the dog did that? Because the child was his master and he loved him. And not only “man’s best friend”. Dogs are loyal to us because they got used to us. But to give another example.. I remember another thing from the news I saw few years ago. A Tarzan-like woman was found in the forest after living there for about 20 years. She was fed and protected by monkeys or some animals I don’t remember.. Cool huh ?
In conclusion, we have to learn to respect nature.. our nature as humans, and the nature around us. Ecologists are some people that have understood this and unlike others, they are more illuminated. Why ? Not because they love nature for just its beauty. That’s a reason.. Another reason more important is that they understood that we depend on nature. Without nature, we would die.
Like I was saying. Life is far more than it appears. Once you get to know it, you fall in love with it. If you have a simple life, and say it is beautiful now at 20 years of your life, you say it because you have fun dancing, going to bars, pubs and bars, talking to friends, playing videogames etc. But at a moment, all of these will get to appear so simple that they won’t truly satisfy you anymore. If you have a complex life, and you’re based on spirituality, on nature, on life for real, there will always be something beautiful to learn about life. There are no limits from this point of view. Spirituality and nature offer us much more than we think. There will always be new things to do, to learn.. But only if you are opened to them. If you, in your ignorance, without knowing them, say they don’t exist or that are not important, you will never understand the true beauty of life.
Christianity denies this type of life. That’s why from my point of view, Christianity is a religion of DEATH. All that was once good and nature for people (for the pagans) was transformed by Christians into something evil and sinful. People that were praying to the Gods in peace in love were then transformed into witches who pray to Demons to do harm.. Do you observe the contrast ? Satanism in a way, is a part of paganism because it connects exactly to their theory of life. And that’s why Satanism and Paganism are, to Christians, so for the great mass of people, “bad” things.. negative things. In reality however, it is not really like that. It is true, Satanism, especially the one that I practice, has many negative points and is a more extreme religion. But that’s part of nature.
In Satanism as in life, there are positive and negative elements.. You need to know how to balance these to be able to live a balanced life.
A normal individual would say that religion, meditation, magick and all this stuff are too much for him and that they surpass him. The truth is, that HE limits HIMSELF and says that they surpass him. Because he doesn’t truly know himself, and doesn’t know his real capability to live. Religion, meditation, magick etc is for everyone just as life and nature and spirituality are for everyone. Its just that we alone put in front of ourselves these limits and say that it is not possible or true or that we can’t do this or that.
Honestly, in all this time of study the only satanic source that I have found to share these notions and beliefs is the organization Order Of The Nine Angles that I haven’t yet studied enough. However I remember a quote from O.N.A.’s Black Book Of Satan and it was saying “Learn to raise yourself above yourself so you can triumph over all”. That, my Satanist friend, is something that you must keep in your mind and heart all your life.
The life of a Satanist is unfortunately a lonely and hard life. You cannot rely on anyone. I thought I had my mentor to guide me.. I was wrong. It so happened that I had to continue my path alone. And it so happened that this path I chose turned out to be a dangerous and hard one.
There will be times when you will face dangers. There will be times to make impossible decisions. There will be times when you’ll fall to the ground and you will have to rise up alone. There will be sacrifices that you will have to make. There will be evil to make that is probably not in your nature to do. But you will need to do it. You will have to go through all of this. Satanism is more than just a religion. It’s a way of living, a path that can take you to great wisdom.. But great wisdom is achieved through work and sacrifice. It is a way that will make you achieve far more with your life than you realize. I am talking here about genuine Satanism.
You will find that Satanism is more than just mystical rituals and religious indoctrination. It is really, a practical mission through the dark side of life.
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Raspuns de Lady in black on Sept 10, 2014 1:53:24 GMT 2
Nu ma refeream la viata ta de zi cu zi, ci la religia pe care spui tu ca o ai si zeul pe care spui tu ca-l cunosti. Iti reamintesc ca vorbeste cineva care a lucrat intens cu Satan si cu demonii timp de cca. 8 ani. Si iti reamintesc ca am cunoscut multe persoane ca mine, care au ajuns distruse dupa asa ceva. Sunt lucruri care pot fi dovedite aproape clar, pe care le poti nega numai daca esti cu adevarat naiv (asa cum am fost si eu). Da, in Satanism exista sacrificii animale, blasfemii, orgii, blesteme, etc. Dar cand zici ca ai simtit atingerea lor, te referi ca ai simtit o caldura in piept sau racoare la spate cand aveai geamul deschis?... sau atingerea lor cand toata camera nu mai are nicio lumina (decat flacara lumanarii), atingerea lor cand iti explodeaza inima, cand ai dureri de cap, cand iti creste pulsul, cand ‘ceva’ iti smulge carnea de pe tine? TU CHIAR CREZI ca eu aberez si ca mint cand iti zic chestile astea? Am sa raspund la partea in romana deocamdata. Nu ma deranjeaza o mica disputa. Nici nu cred ca ma minti, nici nu contest o experienta evident mult mai lunga decat a mea in satanism. Dar aceea e experienta ta, asa negativa cum o vezi, si dupa ea totusi il doresti inapoi pe Satan in viata ta. Eu nu pot sa judec decat dupa ceea ce am simtit eu, nu dupa site-urile de niciun fel, nu dupa trairile altora. Am ajuns la satanism jongland cu istoriile si conceptele, dar l-am simtit pe Satan foarte intens dupa ce am trecut de jocul asta intelectual. Da, prezenta lui m-a coplesit, m-a atras si m-a speriat totodata. Inca ma sperie uneori o asemenea putere, inca ma uimeste cat de departe am ajuns eu, o fiinta altfel extrem de rationala. Si cand vorbeam de momentele naspa, nu ma refeream ca-mi freaca ridichea seful la serviciu sau ca ma bantuie o raceala, ci de propriile indoieli privind calea pe care am urmat-o, de consumul urias de energie necesar pentru a tine mental pasul cu Satan, de efectele fizice ale relatiei noastre. Nu e o metafora sa spui ca satanismul e o cale care cere sange si sudoare. Sa neg insa acum legatura cu el ar inseamna sa ma neg pe mine insami, chiar daca uneori e ca si cum as fi in mijlocul unei eruptii vulcanice. Il simt langa mine, atingandu-ma mintal si trupeste. Da, se intampla la lumina lumanarii, in singuratate, cand comuniunea cu el imi face sufletul si trupul sa vibreze in feluri pe care nici nu le banuiam. Si cand ma trezeste din somn, izbindu-ma cu forta unui tren, punand stapanire pe fiecare fibra a mea, chiar daca as prefera sa mai dorm, arzandu-ma. Si cand sunt in tramvai, inconjurata de oameni si gandurile care-mi zumzaie sunt raspunsurile lui la intrebarile mele. Uneori, nu-mi da de ales. Alteori, simt o blandete, o grija, o dragoste inegalabile. E coplesitor, in toate formele sale. Sa fie asta un aspect negativ al vietii mele? Daca e asa, prefer Iadul oricand! Vor fi evenimente nefericite in viata mea? Probabil ca da. Toti avem astfel de momente, si nu ma astept ca Satan sa fie solutia magica la ele. Daca viata profesionala m-a invatat ceva, e ca tragedia pandeste oricand dupa colt. Nu-mi cunosc viitorul, pot doar sa ma bucur de ce-i minunat in prezent si sa nu ma tem de suferinte incerte. Nu, nu promovez imaginea unui Satan bun. Ceea ce tot incerc sa spun e ca Satan transcende conceptele noastre de bine si rau, ca si multe alte concepte omenesti. Inca il descopar cu fiecare zi, dupa cum ma autodescopar. Nu ma indoiesc ca asa se va intampla toata viata. Si dupa ea. Pe forumul asta sunt extrem de sincera, spun lucruri pe care nu le-am dezvaluit altfel nimanui. Tot ce astept de la altii e sa-mi respecte propriile experiente, dupa cum si eu le respect pe ale lor. Nu incerc sa atrag pe nimeni in satanism, dupa cum nu am cautat un coven caruia sa ma alatur, tocmai ca sa nu-mi spuna altcineva CUM si CE sa simt. |
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Raspuns de asterion on Sept 12, 2014 10:10:55 GMT 2
Intervin putin: in sistemele demonologice veritabile, precum Grimoarul Medici, Satan este cam la coada ierarhiei, In frunte fiind Belzebuth, Oriens, Amaymon, Paymon, Egyn si altii. Hihiii.
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Raspuns de Lady in black on Sept 12, 2014 14:06:43 GMT 2
Intervin putin: in sistemele demonologice veritabile, precum Grimoarul Medici, Satan este cam la coada ierarhiei, In frunte fiind Belzebuth, Oriens, Amaymon, Paymon, Egyn si altii. Hihiii. Ce criterii ai in vedere cand vorbesti despre sistemele demonologice veritabile? Marturisesc, eu gasesc adesea lectura grimoire-lor derutanta, tocmai pentru ca fiecare vine cu ierarhia lui, ba chiar uneori nici sexul unui demon nu e acelasi, ca in cazul lui Astaroth. Ca sa nu mai vorbesc despre Satan/Lucifer ca spirite diferite sau aspecte ale aceluiasi spirit... |
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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 12, 2014 14:54:22 GMT 2
Dar aceea e experienta ta, asa negativa cum o vezi, si dupa ea totusi il doresti inapoi pe Satan in viata ta. Pe Satan il doresc numai pentru a pastra un echilibru in viata mea. Nu vreau sa merg ca un cal, vazand doar intr-o singura directie. Totusi, experienta asta nu o am doar eu. Asterion iti poate spune si el alte povesti ale unor oameni cu experienta mai mare decat a mea. Era un avertisement. Oricum, tot experienta iti va dovedi si tie. Important e sa o accepti, nu sa o ignori cum fac altii in naivitatea lor zicand ca sunt doar ‘teste’. Testele alea devin pedepse la un mom dat, crede-ma. Si eu ziceam ca orice necaz e un test care-mi verifica loialitatea si puterea, dar trebuie sa fii idiot sa mai crezi asta cand vezi cu ochii tai cum ti se prabuseste totul.. Daca e asa, prefer Iadul oricand! Ca sa-l citez pe Geoffrey Rush/Marquis de Sade: “I've been to hell young man, you've only read about it.” Vor fi evenimente nefericite in viata mea? Probabil ca da. Toti avem astfel de momente, si nu ma astept ca Satan sa fie solutia magica la ele. Tu n-ai inteles ce am zis... tocmai asta ziceam, ca avem cu totii evenimente nefericite, ups and downs... dar cand timp de 6 ani ai parte numai de nenorociri, ce faci atunci? Tot mai visezi la un Iad smecher cu muzica Techno si bar la intrare? Daca viata profesionala m-a invatat ceva, e ca tragedia pandeste oricand dupa colt. Nu-mi cunosc viitorul, pot doar sa ma bucur de ce-i minunat in prezent si sa nu ma tem de suferinte incerte. Traind de pe azi pe maine o face numai un cocalar care nu se gandeste la un viitor mai bun. Nu poti sa stii exact ce va fii in viitor, dar poti totusi sa schimbi ceva la acel viitor incat sa-l asiguri cat mai frumos. Ce zici tu imi aduce aminte de adolescentii din ziua de azi care-si sparg creierii cu iarba... daca lor le face bine acum, o sa continue ca ‘don’t panic it’s organic’. Tot ce astept de la altii e sa-mi respecte propriile experiente, dupa cum si eu le respect pe ale lor. Nu incerc sa atrag pe nimeni in satanism, dupa cum nu am cautat un coven caruia sa ma alatur, tocmai ca sa nu-mi spuna altcineva CUM si CE sa simt. Daca e ceva ce respect la tine si postarile tale, este sinceritatea. Si iti respect/accept propriile experiente si pareri, dar nu pot fi de acord cu ele. La Reguli exact asta scrie: 2. Respecta credintele si opiniile celorlalti. Nu trebuie sa fii de acord, ci doar sa accepti diversitatea. Discutiile in contradictoriu sunt premise atat timp cat nu scapa de sub control. [quote author=" Lady in black" source="/post/1714/thread" timestamp="1410523603"Ce criterii ai in vedere cand vorbesti despre sistemele demonologice veritabile? Marturisesc, eu gasesc adesea lectura grimoire-lor derutanta, tocmai pentru ca fiecare vine cu ierarhia lui, ba chiar uneori nici sexul unui demon nu e acelasi, ca in cazul lui Astaroth. Ca sa nu mai vorbesc despre Satan/Lucifer ca spirite diferite sau aspecte ale aceluiasi spirit...[/quote] Good point. |
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Raspuns de Lady in black on Sept 12, 2014 15:13:50 GMT 2
Ideea ta cu testele apare si in mentalitatea crestina, nu? Dumnezeu ii incearca pe cei pe care-i iubeste, cu cat suferi mai mult aici, cu atat te vei bucura mai mult dincolo etc.
Sa stii ca ma gandesc si la viitor, dar nu intr-atat cat sa nu apreciez prezentul. Ma tem ca asta e una dintre marile noastre probleme, ca fiinte umane in general, ca tindem sa ne proiectam prea mult in viitor, neapreciind prezentul. Cand tot te gandesti ca ti-ar trebui un serviciu mai bun, un salariu mai mare, o traiectorie literara ca a lui Stephen King, o vila cu piscina, un concediu pe o insula tropicala etc, uiti sa mai apreciezi un fel de mancare savuros, o carte minunata, un ritm care-ti face trupul parca sa danseze singur... Poate noi doi avem tipare psihologice diferite, dar pe mine apropierea de Satan ma face sa ma bucur mai mult de momentele simple ale vietii si sa incerc, constient, sa nu ma las obsedata de ceea ce numim MARILE SCOPURI, MOMENTELE CHEIE etc. Dansul, de exemplu, ma face mai fericita decat oricand. Sau o citire de tarot reusita pentru cineva cunoscut. Sau o prajitura gustoasa. Sau o lungime de bazin in plus cand inot. Sa ating scoarta unui copac si sa ma intreb cum se simte. Chestie care, altadata, nici prin cap nu mi-ar fi trecut. Are sens pentru tine ce spun?
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Raspuns de F.v.F on Sept 18, 2014 0:16:29 GMT 2
precum Grimoarul Medici, Satan este cam la coada ierarhiei, In frunte fiind Belzebuth, Oriens, Amaymon, Paymon, Egyn si altii. Hihiii. Nu stiam de existenta unui grimoar al familiei Medici. Stiam de Catherine ca a practicat magia neagra si ca purta un medalion cu numele lui Asmodeus si ca avea un adevarat arsenal de unelte oculte intr-o camera. LadyInBlack: Iti voi raspunde maine sper. Scuze de intarziere. |
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